Fri, Jan 2, 2009
Real or Fake?
So many theories abound concerning this specific piece of audio. If it is truely the real audio from the camera that was on when Timothy Treadwell aka Grizzly Man and Amie Huguenard were killed by a bear, than it is chilling.
To read more info about who Timothy Treadwell is see the following
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Treadwell
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21. February 2010 at 1:01 pm
Probably fake ; the director, Werner Herzog, advised Timothy Treadwell’s previous girlfriend to destroy the tape. It’s doubtful she saved it and released it, Lord knows I wouldn’t if it were real.
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susan Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 7:04 pm
I did a little research and talked to a few people about this tape, jewel did not release the tape. It is known that there would be a lawsuit if released by anyone even the DA office like someone here had suggested. The families have made it clear that this tape is fake. Jewel herself goes through these sites under assumed names to make sure that the real tape is not out there for people to hear, and if it was she would make sure it was not played. It does sound like TT but it is not and if you go on to jewels website you can see for yourself that no one got ahold of it , It is not real.
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18. February 2010 at 10:49 am
These people died for no good reason. Treadwell had absolutely no expertise – only hippie delusions of being one with nature and making friends with deadly predators. It’s the same liberal reasoning that believes we can reason with vicious dictators and bring world peace. Treadwell does not even compare with a great conservationist and animal savior like the Crocodile Hunter, Steve Irwin, who had life long experience and great respect for the danger inherit. Irwin died only due to a fluke; the haunting thing is that the wise Irwin always had a general sense that he would likely be killed by an animal – He was no dummy like Treadwell.
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3. February 2010 at 10:56 am
Ha ha, this is SO fake. Good gracious. Listen to when he screams, “GET A FRYING PAN! HIT IT WITH THE PAAAAAAN!!” And she just keeps screaming, “OH MY GOD! FIGHT BACK!” Whoever that woman is, she doesn’t sound scared at all!! LOL. Please!! It’s so fake, it doesn’t even sound like it’s TRYING to sound real!! It sounds like some stupid college kids who decided to play a prank by faking the audio, and doing it quite poorly and sarcastically, I might add. Seriously, people. Listen to it again. This is so obviously FAKE.
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2. February 2010 at 10:45 pm
I belive the tape to be real. I also believe Timothy Treadwell committed “suicide by bear”, only he didn’t anticipate how painful it would be. Before anyone gets upset with that statement, take a moment and read on: In watching the film, “Grizzly Man”, at the end of each season, Timothy Treadwell would tell the bears and Grizzly People he would “be back next year”. However, on his last film, which was filmed a few hours before his death, Treadwell seemed somewhat agitated, and in lieu of his usual seasonal sign-off, he ended my saying, “This is all I know. This is all I ever want to know. This is it.” I think Treadwell was angry that Ame was leaving him and decided to go out in a “blaze of glory”, so to speak. I also believe he intended to take Ame with him, as he knew she would not be able to fend for herself around the bears, and especially after a bear attack. In the film, Grizzly Man, it was stated that at the “end”, Treadwell was heard telling Ame to “get away, run away”. The reality is, there was no place for her to go. Also, the fact that her parents refused to participate in the film, leaves one to wonder what they think really happened up there also.
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Jeannie Reply:
February 3rd, 2010 at 12:49 pm
Francis, he definitely acted very strange on the video at the end. But Amy was not “leaving him.” In fact, they had rented an apartment together in LA. But he is to be commended for telling her to run away and leave him to his fate, probably hoping she would find somewhere to hide while the bear was fixated on him. I think her parents were experiencing so much grief they were just unable to cooperate, along with deep anger fueling their anguish, and in all probability had many, many questions concerning her demise that will never be answered to their satisfaction; an impossibility. And they probably were placing all the blame on Treadwell, understandably. But Amy, in love, went willingly, knowing the risks and accepting them.
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sandman23 Reply:
February 10th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Wow! I am very familier with the Treadwell family and all of Tims efforts, and ive never heard such crazy things. If Amy were going to leave him Tim must have confided in you. As far as the tape goes its a total fack. The Fish and Wildlife never found any voice recordings. As late as it was in the year ( and everyone knows he was leaving late that year) bears especially the older ones need food to survive. Survival is their first instinct they are wild animals PERIOD. Following that instinct they had to feed before hibernation and no matter how friendly you think they might be Tim crossed a line and allowed them to close during that time of the season.
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25. January 2010 at 12:26 am
so was the dovine bitch fucked by the dog? what the hell is she talking about?
fuck all yall.
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11. January 2010 at 6:40 am
i’ve been listening to this tape and i do think it might be real. In any case it is realistic enough to doubt wether it’s a fake or not. The only thing that makes me doubt are the bear sounds. if tim carried a mic it would surely capture the food frenzy of a hungry bear. But, since we have no bears in Holland..
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doviine Reply:
January 16th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
I don’t know why, but that very thing.. primeval hunger satiation, is what I “hear” in the bear that makes it so realistic to me. I hate it… that old bear would have fought off anything trying to get in the way of his meal.., including the meal itself.
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6. January 2010 at 7:35 pm
Susan: There is NO verified documentation or credible witness that there were actually persons who created this tape. If so, let’s hear from them now please, or from someone who can back up that claim. I think it is wonderful that Grizzly Man is being mentioned on so many lists as one of the best “movies” of the decade; and not surprisingly, is #1 on many. Hats off to you, Werner. Timothy may not have made it to Cheers, but I believe having died for something you believed in with all your heart, especially as a spokesperson for some of God’s creation, speaks much better of him that having achieved fortune and fame on the Hollywood merry-go-round. If only he were here to speak on his own behalf and not becoming a legend.
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6. January 2010 at 7:20 pm
I have listened to the tape again and it does sound like TT but what about the people that addmitted they made the tape. All I know is I have been watching it again tonite on the plante green channel and I am just amazed at how close he comes to those bears . He seemed like a kind and gentle soul and he died doing what he loved doing . Glad to see his story being told .Well have a goodnight.
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5. January 2010 at 8:31 pm
Peace…Jeannie <3
When I was 27 (I am female,just over 5' 130lbs) I was invited over to a friend of a friend who had an 8 foot electrical fence enclosed yard. I was assured this beautiful German Shepard was absolutely under the command of its owner/trainer. We shared some conversation and a beer and our host began to play ball with the dog. I had not behaved frightened at all, was welcoming and responsive when the dog inspected me. I believe the owner offered me the ball because he could see I was at ease.. so I caught the ball, got the dogs attention with friendly voice raised my arm to through and as I did the dog, his eye not on the ball, attacked me from behind.
Immediately I knew it was serious. He hit me about mid back with his feet and then came to his full height around the center of the back of my neck.. I remained calm, feeling certain the owner and my friend knew what was taking place… I did not move or make a sound.. he was a heavy dog with all his weight on me, he bit me between the shoulder blades. I cannot adequately describe the sounds this dog was making.. I have never heard any sound like that, so intimate and slobbery (sorry) right behind my ear, grunts,intakes of air, deep warning growls…. it was no friendly or funny in any way.. at that point I realized his next bite would be somewhere between my shoulder and head.
I do believe I made a sound then as unbelievably no one yet had come to my aide. My friend yelled and the owner called off the dog.
The whole situation was so bizarre.. it defies explanation. I was angry more about feeling like a stupid idiot for agreeing to a drink with someone we'd just met at the local bar, our city. I was angry most that the guy would expose anyone to that dog without remaining constantly vigilant.
I went to the hospital and got a tetanus shot.. made a report as I chose to go on to the property , others may too. The bite did not require stitches but it did hurt for a few days… he never got my neck.
I felt quite proud of myself for standing stock-still and uttering not a sound. I'm sure I saved myself a mauling. But the one thing that stands out is the way that dog SOUNDED right at my ear… I will never forget the sound of the instinctive, wild, inner nature of a creature who possesses only simple consciousness…. many behind human masks.
As for me, never did I believe myself too trusting in that situation. My friend (male) wanted to handle it his own barbaric way..
We were both lied to…. weird
But that sound……….. that bear… he was in "heaven" and that is some scary stuff.
People really need to be educated… not just told to play dead, or wave your arms, or spray pepper… no, education is experience
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5. January 2010 at 12:04 pm
I have listened to his voice many, many times and I firmly and totally believe that is Timothy on the tape. I have not read any book or seen any documentary that varies from the scenario of what little time we hear this recording. Remember – JEWEL IS NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT RECEIVED A TAPE. The reason we hear silence and grunting of the bear at the beginning I believe is because this is when Tim is being still and playing dead. I believe the bear drug him around the area, which explains the variations in sound and voices. I think at the time we are listening he was practically right in the tent, maybe having been thrown ON IT, WHERE TROOPER HILL FOUND THE CAMERA BAG INSIDE THE TENT WITH THE REMOTE MICCROPHONE INSIDE, NOT ON TIM. He was one of my heroes, so all my comments are with total and absolute love and respect.
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5. January 2010 at 10:01 am
chilling…i don’t understand how anyone can say this doesn’t sound like TT’s voice??? Its not as if any of us know what we (our voices) would sound like if we were experiencing this kind of terror.We are used to hearing his soft childlike voice and never before have we heard his cries of terror.. Unless u r a voice analisyst (SP) THEN perhaps your opinion means nothing!!! I Have read and watched enough about Treadwell and this encounter that I for one am convinced!! Have, however found numerous accounts documented in regards to whether or not he was wearing a portable clip on mic. With the level of technology, could it be possible that both account r in fact correct.Perhaps he had a mic on and there was one in the camera bag??Just a thought
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5. January 2010 at 9:50 am
I really think that this tape is fake also , jewel said she would not release it. The Grizzly Man has been on for the last two weeks on the plant green channel and if you watch it you can get all the info you want about what happened. I ma just sad that two people lost their lives, and that Tim who loved the bears so much was killed by one, but he knew this may happen and took the chance. His story is now being told and It’s great to see how he could acutally come so close to those bears for as long as he did before his life was cut so short. I have a lot of admiration for him. So RIP tim and amy
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3. January 2010 at 10:45 am
Since someone on this site truly believe this tape is real, I listened and expected that, (even though i know it’s fake) it would at least sound real. Boy, was I wrong. How can anyone think this is real?
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1. January 2010 at 2:12 am
yeah, i think its a fake too. If you listen close, its seems pretty obvious. not much more to say.
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1. January 2010 at 12:17 am
After watching the movie whoever made this knew EXACTLY what was said. Jewel also said she’d never release it. If you remember in movies from psycho to the blair witch project, terror can be faked. Just like those that are trying to prove there are Steve Irwin death tapes, with all that is known and has been written and has been shown in movies and tv about this attack; of course it could be staged. Also the people that listened to it said that they barely heard anything from the bear other than heavy breathing and grunts. It’s time that our morbid fascination with peoples demises be stopped. We dont’ need to hear or see this tragic attack.
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31. December 2009 at 8:45 pm
I think, in my honest opinion, that this is a fake. I know some of you think that pure terror can not be reproduced but in reality, it can. If you have watched any horror films you cannot tell me that you, if it was not in a movie, would not believe them if they had acted like that. And, since this is an audio, we don’t have any real proof. This oculd have been very easy to recreate if some one wanted to. They, who ever they are, are probably sitting back some where saying “We did it!” And boasting over how well they recreated a good mans death. It is wrong and inconsiderate. To be quite honest this man is a hero! And no one on earth should make fun of his death. Whether meaning to or not whom ever made this tape probably broke that poor womans heart. She was there! So go ask her if it is real.
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31. December 2009 at 5:13 pm
Dovline: I appreciate your very well-written comment and agree with you totally. You are very wise.
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31. December 2009 at 3:18 pm
This makes me so sad and anguished… sick. Just like any movie nowadays which is clearly acted can make a person leave the theater or turn off the dvd due to its unbearable realism, I am sure that if this is not REAL (which I do believe it IS)… it affects me as if it is, and must be pretty damn close to what being eaten alive / watching your loved one being eaten alive….sounds like. I think of all tragic experiences of which we see only the aftermath, left to imagine what went on… and I think if there actually was footage made available to the public, on many different topics… rapes, murder, drugs… I think it would effect a tremendous change in the human psyche — weird it takes so long for so-called intelligent humans to accept physical mortality and learn how not to help it along
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30. December 2009 at 6:21 pm
NG: Your comments make sense. I work in the basement of a hospital in NC. Atmosphere at night like a morgue. I was just back to work after H1N1; feeling weird, you know how the world seems tilted in your mind sometimes when you are sick. All alone down here, around midnight, already very involved in the Treadwell story, with the docs and books. He was so much like my ex. Creepy. Looks, personality. Then I accidently discovered this site and listened to the tape. Twice. I DID NOT SLEEP FOR 2 NIGHTS, AND IT TOOK ME WEEKS TO RECOVER. I totally understand the reasons why it could be fake. But I just feel it is a tiny portion of the entire thing, that the “close up” snorting and breathing, etc., we hear that sounds so close is because the “action” at that point was occuring right beside, maybe even brushed up against, the tent where the mic was stored in the case. Pictures of the tent after show it smashed and torn down. I think Timothy may have been struggling to get back inside. What convinces me are 3 things: 1) The reality of it being a REAL BEAR we hear (no one denying that), 2)the voice we hear yelling out sounds EXACTLY like the real Tim; and 3) the worst of it all, that scream at the end is so very much what I imagine anybody would sound like when the tide turns of a sudden and you realize I AM DYING, SOMETHING IS EATING MY FLESH AND DEVOURING ME. I can’t let myself hear it again, I am so traumatized by it still, but I don’t remember hearing any voices “to the side” or any bells ringing, whatever. Is that ABSOLUTELY ON THERE (I am asking those of you with credible input – not some hateful sounding ax to grind “against the world” attitude). Thanks – Happy New Year all and God Bless You.
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28. December 2009 at 11:11 pm
The first time I listened, I though that sounded very much like TT, and everything else seemed to match up (despite the sound of inhalations that are FAR too close to the mic, and a lot closer than the bear and people noises – could be tent flaps…). On second listen, my thoughts are there is no way this is real. Lets just think about the VERY small chance of it being real, and compare that to how EXTREMELY easy it would be to mock this up.
I mean really, two voice actors, some bear and wind noises and the script from the coroner.
Everyone try this: Listen to it once, focus on the screams, and ‘think’ that is it real whilst listening. I seems plausible, the screaming could be authentic = could be authentic.
Listen again and ‘think’ that it is a fake recording. It sounds utterly fake, the screams sound totally acted, fake terror. From that point on you cant listen to it without knowing this is NOT the sound of two people being eaten alive.
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24. December 2009 at 1:09 pm
Has anyone seen the documentary “FATAL PASSION” about this case, and if so do you recommend it. Does it reveal anything we have not learned thus far?
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doviine Reply:
December 24th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/deadly_passion/
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22. December 2009 at 9:53 pm
i would also bet that this is a fake. once timothy really starts screaming, the coroner in the documentary said he could hear amy beating the bear over the head with a pot or a pan. furthermore, as one poster stated, the only portion of this supposed audio that was released was the parts that were described by the coroner in the video. this leads me to believe that this tape is a hoax made to satisfy the curiousity of us followers of the story.
also, the photo of the mauled leg in the photo is NOT timothy, because that corpse was wearing a tennis shoe, and the ranger said timothy and his friend were NOT wearing shoes. their shoes were placed neatly in front of the opening of their tent when all of this happened.
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21. December 2009 at 12:30 pm
Sorry folks, this sounds faked. The voices sound like the particpants are in a room as opposed to being out in the open. I’m no expert, but that was the impression I got from listening to the tape.
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20. December 2009 at 3:08 pm
its in a room, bear/bear attack audio, and u can her a womans voise for goodness sake
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Bunny Reply:
March 10th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
Yes, you can hear a woman’s voice. She was killed with him. Her name was Amie Huguenard.
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17. December 2009 at 7:26 am
Listen up people! Trooper Chris Hill, who was part of the “rescue team” who retrieved the remains of the victims and cleared the campsite, reported that the microphone was found turned on INSIDE THE CAMERA BAG WITH THE CAMERA INSIDE OF THE TENT!for Pete’s sake. Why everyone is so determined to place the mic on Timothy, I cannot understand. Go with the facts.
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17. December 2009 at 12:13 am
Oh please.
This tape is ABSOLUTELY a FAKE. According to law enforcement personnel who DID hear the actual recording, Treadwell was WEARING a wireless mic, so his voice would’ve been EXTREMELY “up close” to the listener. Of course, the fake recording sounds like the mic was far away from Treadwell — the fakers probably assumed the sound was captured by the camera mic, which was in the tent and away from the fatal attack. They were stupid to not research their fake well enough.
ENOUGH of this crap! The tape is FAKE!!!
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29. November 2009 at 6:58 am
I’m a sceptic an tho it sounds real, parts sound fake an why is only a small portion leaked an not the whole thing? its not like u see anything… you only hear? and us curious spectators would be intrigued to hear the whole thing, not just a portion an that is why im thinking it is a fake. people can memorize a script (just like the one publishesd) an play the parts perfectly…ever watch the auditions for people for actors who want to be in scary movies? they can shreek, cry & scream so well that its 100% believable so whos to say that these arent actors who just know how to work the system? even the autopsy photo, that isnt tim because the report says different from the picture, all this is fake to me unless someone can prove 100% otherwise, which i doubt.
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27. November 2009 at 7:23 pm
To make the puzzle here even come close to fitting, everyone needs to remember that ACCORDING TO TROOPER HILL AND THE CORONER, THE MICROPHONE WAS FOUND IN THE CAMERA CASE IN THE TENT WITH THE CAMERA INSIDE ALSO. How and why did it get turned on? Who knows. But it explains a lot of why some things sound as they do. For Timothy to sound closer, and be clearer, at some points, then he had to have been closer to the tent than at other times (I am sure he was strugging to get away and the bear was dragging him around somewhat too at times), and Amy had to be have been closer to Timmie and the tent than at other times. She could even have been feet away from the scene in a half-escape during portions of the audio. Kady, why do you sound so angry and mean spirited? And defensive. Everyone posting should feel free to speak their mind without anticipating an attack afterward and someone being offensive using dirty words. This is a DISCUSSION BOARD, sharing ideas in hopes of reaching logical conclusions in a spirit of honest, respectful give and take.
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26. November 2009 at 2:11 am
I think it is real because Tim defiantly has a microphone on him at the time as said in one of the reports and his voice is alot louder than Amie’s.
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25. November 2009 at 4:39 am
This is real. I’d bet on it.
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22. November 2009 at 8:03 pm
That was stupid! First of all, She was holding the camera. Not some other man breathing into the mic… And they were not inside of a room. Also, When the bear attacked she dropped the camerea and started to beat the bear.
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8. November 2009 at 9:35 pm
They played a portion of the audio right around the time the documentary came out on one of those morning news shows. I think it was GMA. I cannot remember if this audio clip is the same because it was a long time ago. I know you could hear them moaning on the clip because they were so dismembered! It was tragic!
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Peter Reply:
January 11th, 2010 at 10:17 am
Because they were sooooo dismembered….They really should have filed a complaint ! –:)))
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8. November 2009 at 5:25 pm
That pic is obviously not Tim.
I remember to have seen that about 10 year ago on ogrish.com (mmm…or rotten.com)
According to reports they found only his head and right arm.
Dr. Frank Fallico keep the only pics.
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7. November 2009 at 8:38 pm
yes well, real or not that sent shivers down my spine… and i’m creeped out because im in a dark room
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7. November 2009 at 11:07 am
Well, DB. Maybe you are right, but I am not sold. As Dan asks, anything to back up your claims? For some reason, I did not feel guilty listening to “the tape.” And we do not know FOR SURE that Jewel herself hasn’t (although I hope not). I am a total fan of Tim’s by the way. The tape……..the wind, the background, the guzzling, the grunting, what sounds like wind snapping tent sides, the voices themselves…I would have to be convinced by something really concrete. Maybe I am a fool…….but it sure spooked me good.
As for the picture —– no way! It doesn’t even match what Willy Fulton himself told us in the documentary of what he found on the very scene. And did anyone ever see Tim in tennis shoes? and not boots?
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7. November 2009 at 5:47 am
Heya D.B.Fairbanks, can you post a couple of direct links to back up your claims? Your post makes for interesting reading. I do believe it’s a fake too and if this was leaked then most likely jobs are on the line somewhere.
Was the picture of Timothy Treadwell with his leg eaten real? I imagine any bear attack would be devestating and if that picture is a fake, then it’s defineately a good algatory for what a bear attack might look like!
Overall it would be a terrifying experience and I think I speak for all here when I say it’s not something that is wanted on anyone.
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D.B. Fairbanks Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 3:27 am
I’ve hunted for the info I posted and also can’t find it again…it was awhile ago.
I found the Treadwell story fascinating and have read the books, watched the docs and kept any lil’ piece of info. I know that I have all the info I referred to on an old hard drive and I’ll happily send it to you Dan. I honestly was surprised to hear this audio up, I thought it was gone.
As far as that picture goes it is on other bear attack websites and is tagged as hiker killed by bear. The photo will have a publishing date, ’cause it will be accredited, and compare the dates. as another poster also mentioned Tim, being the outdoors type, was never shown wearing cross trainers (runners).
I also just wanna clarify something…the audio covers ALL THAT WAS REPORTED. It’s not a few minutes of six…it’s that the group who made it didn’t know how to fill in the silence because it wasn’t talked about. It was played out as it was retold without the other three minutes of them dealing with the situation. It’s really an easy fake with a few people…Hey maybe I made it.
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Dan Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 4:27 am
Heya D.B., thanks for your reply…
I understand where you’re coming from. People hoard these old clips for years and then they resurface as something else.
About the “All that was reported bit”. Most bear attacks would probably include tent tearing, screams, and wondering if the bear is still out there, so even being an old clip, it could easily fall into the “all that was reported” category.
I still wouldn’t like to be that hiker though
Even if it’s not Timothy Treadwell it still looks like a real picture at least.
I live in Australia, so such attacks are unknown to us although once it was reported that a dingo took a baby, but it turned out the mother did do it so even Dingo attacks are very low.
We mostly have the dangerous species that kill you if you just touch or stand on them (blue ring octopus, stone fish, funnel webs, etc etc) hence why this sort of attack is fascinating. We only get to see bears in these doco’s or if we travel 12,000km’s.
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Kady Reply:
November 25th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Hey DB, Given the total sum of everything you’ve said, I already don’t like you and you have shown us NOTHING to back your claims. Why don’t you go stand by a blue ring octopus.
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Dan Reply:
November 25th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Blue ring octopuses are quite safe to stand beside and even touch, however it’s when you pick them up and they bite you that the trouble starts.
Not many people know this, but if you perform CPR on someone who has been bitten by a Blue Ring Octopus for 20 minutes then they can start breathing again and be completely conscious within the hour.
Peter Reply:
January 11th, 2010 at 10:07 am
Don’t think that picca is a fake, but it certainly isn’t Treadwell. Both his as well as his friends’ boots (not trainers in any case) were found in the storage tent. According to the descriptions of the pick-up pilot and the coroner there wasn’t really much left of him -at least not outside the bear’s stomach.
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7. November 2009 at 5:02 am
Hey y’all, I’m not looking to start another debate but c’mon, think about this tape issue! It’s funny that the group who wants the tape destroyed claim to have listened to the tape over and over and over to claim “It’s Real!” and no one should have the right to hear it out of respect for Timothy. If you cared you would not, as Jewel, ever listened to the tape yourself…no less arguing the authenticity of the tape you feel should have never be heard. With that said…here comes the wet blanket kids, the tape in question came online right after the movie circulated at film festivals and was done by three drunk guys and a girlfriend. It was shot in the playground of a condominium complex in London Ontario Canada. It originally was on a death-vid web site in a “Treadwell Joke” catagory along with “Grizzly Bear Man” and others. It was removed due to a legal threat and settled out of court. After that online users who had saved the file uploaded everywhere including Putfile, Metacafe, and Youtube where it was removed over and over until the truth came out. When asked about it, the guy playing Treadwell said “It was so easy…we already had the script (from the film)and A&E had a documentary where they interviewed Herzog, Jewel, etc. and they told more about the tape…so we could add extras that weren’t in the doc. People started coming out (of their houses) when we were screaming so we stopped and cut it down to two or three minutes, anyways by not playing it(the tape)in the movie everyone would want to believe it… just like snuff movies.” So if that’s not enough it’s fact that Jewel herself, under false names, constantly scans any Treadwell threads and is very outspoken so you’d have heard something by now. I’m sorry to disappoint y’all but it’s not real and feel free to argue but fact is fact and this tape is YEARS old, it’s not rare and there are other tapes more convincing that are also fake. We live in a time of avatar’s, computer generated actors, horror porn, and movies like “Paranormal Activity” and you think that tape was real!? Well sorry to ruin your day but The Blair Witch Project was also fake, Thank you.
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fred Reply:
November 7th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Thank you so much for sharing with us your knowledge.
I’ve never heard nothing like that before.
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Kady Reply:
November 25th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Your story doesn’t hold water. How the hell would you even know that’s the exact same audio (you claim) you heard from years ago? Did you listen to it on a regular basis over the years you hypocrite? Those are NOT Canadians. Canadians can’t fake an accent like that. That DOES sound like TT’s voice, and it is not your place to judge people for listening and analyzing it. People are naturally interested and curious, it doesn’t make them BAD! I’m sorry, but you are way too judgmental and you don’t know what you’re talking about.
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D.B.Fairbanks Reply:
November 27th, 2009 at 3:44 am
Hey there Kady, I’m not here to have bullshit arguments. I thought we were discussing the validity of an audio tape. If you actually read my post you’d have realized that I was making a social comment on the fact that the people most against the tape are the ones who so want it to be real. That is what’s called an observation. I also NEVER said it didn’t sound like TT or that I didn’t listen to it over and over analyzing every second because I did and would love to know the truth also so how am I a hypocrite? You claim I’M judgmental but than you state “Canadians can’t fake an accent like that.” WOW…your entire comment was a judgement call. If you can’t fathom the idea that it couldn’t be faked you’ve made a decision about something you can’t prove and then make yourself the hypocrite by stating I don’t know what I’m talking about because you don’t f’n know me or my knowledge of this topic. Go back to facebook and write on walls…sorry to everyone else.
Kady Reply:
November 29th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Too bad you can’t handle that you are busted by your own stupidity. Why would you listen to it over and over for clues when you previously claim that it’s you and some other Canadians, you’re burying yourself in your own bullshit. You are totally contradicting yourself, which further makes my case. Any semi-intelligent person would know that some drunk Canadians screwing around can’t make themselves sound like that, that accent, no, you are so full of it. You have zero credibility here, DB.
Dan Reply:
November 29th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Wow Kady, you have some serious anger management issues you need to get under control. What a shame you can’t bring across a point without swearing, being abusive and attempting to force people to see your views with absolutely no substance to your claims.
Absolutely pathetic.
Per Reply:
November 25th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Hey DB, what does the D B stand for?
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Peter Reply:
January 11th, 2010 at 9:38 am
Interesting-all these agressive replies. Some people clearly need this faked tape to be for real. Whatever the background (the guys that produced the tape are arguably as idiotic as Treadwell himself), a few things are obvious: first of all it doesn’t sound like an open-field recording, but clearly taken in a room. Furthermore: you dont hear the tent flapping or the rain ( as described from transcripts) and they rather shout than scream. Like other have commented in other places : the wind gush seems to completely stop at times, replaying as a loop. And indeed crucial parts of the conversation are missing.
Somewhere else I found that including the tape in the movie or not was discussed during a Q&A session at some filmfestival , so it’s surfacing directly after that as “Dennis” Fairbanks suggest seems logical.
The film is not a good one in the straigthforward sense, but rather as an intriguing piece about a bunch of weird people, including Herzog himself , with that terrible accent, the coroner (eeww !) and the ex that has the tape. It’s like a David Lynch film. Treadwell (my personal take is he struggled with some issues about his sexuality), Treadwell’s parents, the ex GF (sort of ex-hippie that got stuck in the 60-ies), and so on and so forth.
By the way: I think Herzog used the tape like a reverent would comment on a pornographic magazine while obsessively leafing thru it: while HE listens, he says to Jewel (the ex): “You should never listen to this !”….AFTER he presses as much mileage out of the whole thing as he can get. Hypocritic to say the least.
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6. November 2009 at 9:12 am
When Tim first heard the bear and left the tent, it is believed from the tape the bear left and then came back, because THERE IS a conversation between he and Amy and she asks at 1 point, “is it back?” The conversation that ensued and her reported “intake of breath” and unzipping the tent, all must preclude the quiet portion of the tape that we hear. It is confusing that we hear Timothy say, “GET OUT HERE! I AM BEING KILLED OUT HERE!!!”. Had she gone back inside? Was there a cut and paste? I do not know. Serious considerations. I just believe in my heart what we do hear is so heart rending, such pure violence, such painful cries of terror…..how they can be faked? I know the very end of the tape just gave me nightmares for a while.
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6. November 2009 at 7:06 am
Fred, could you be specific? Would it not be things you are not hearing simply because this is only a small portion of all the audio? I of course do not know for sure this is not a fake. From what the Coroner said, and Trooper Chris Hill, and other things I have read, it fits for me. There is that huge misconception that the mic was on Timothy when it wasn’t. That throws a lot of people: “Well, he was wearing a mic so why??……?? But he wasn’t. He had to be very near the tent. That is where they found Amy too, a few feet away from the storage tent (there were actually 2 tents side by side). I have not read anything with credibility, and I have read so much, that conflicts totally with this being real. But I could be convinced otherwise by something of authenticity. But the picture everyone sees that is supposed to be Timothy with one leg gone and the other propped up and half devoured, NOT THAT IS A TOTAL FAKE AS FAR AS IT IS NOT HIM AT ALL.
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fred Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Not more than my first post up here. I know that we have just a little portion of the 6 min long audio, but, as I try to explain before, some mismatches seems to be not related with the short timing of the track. For example, sorry if I repeat, Kevin Sanders, in his accurate report, speak about a clear “tent zipper” sound between first scream of tim and first reaction of Amie. Well, this portion include this period (I’m almost sure) but we not able to hear nothing similar a “tent zipper”. Now, why we can’t hear that? This portion maybe is a “cut & paste” audio work? I don’t think is a mic position problem.
I agree whit you, there is not a total conflict, just some little but relevant difference, in my opinion.
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5. November 2009 at 3:07 pm
Subsist some relevant difference between the official report and the track we talking about.
I just ask myself, why?
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5. November 2009 at 7:12 am
I hear the breaths of the bear, and maybe Timothy, because as I said I believe he is lying right next to the tent and the tent material was thin enough to allow it. Above I misspelled rangers, sorry. At some portion in the beginning maybe Amy was still inside or in the “foyer” of the tent, or partially outside.
If this is a fake, and someone played it back and listened, they would have been aware don’t you think their breathing could be heard and unexplained, if this was so well thought out?
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5. November 2009 at 7:08 am
For some reason the first part of the tape is left out, as is the end. Secondly, and VERY IMPORTANTLY, the ranges who cleaned up the site after the tragedy, said that the remote trigger for the audio was found in the camera sack, having been turned on. So for all those who want to believe Tim was wearing the mic are wrong. Look at the testimony of Trooper Chris Hill. This is a much-believed misconception because everything sounds so near and clear. But the reason for that obviously is that Timothy was struck down right in front of/beside the tent. That is why you can hear so clearly the sound of the tent flapping in the wind. The only part of the tape you really hear as far as, excuse me, a groaning or guzzling sound is actually the bear grunting, but after the tape ends there are more sounds of all the sounds you would expect to hear that have been described in detail by those who have heart the tape, including the Coroner and Herzog himself. So all the things you do not hear preclude or come after the portion that we are hearing. Of course I have no way of knowing the authenticity of this, as most of you, but what convinces me is the pure terror of the voices we do hear and Timothy’s screams at the end as he must have realized full force just what is happening to him. I think something at that very moment is occurring that forces him to realize the end has come. I listened to this twice, and a month later still am haunted by what I heard. At first I could hardly think of anything else for days, but gradually the remembrance comes now mostly in bad dreams. Poor people.
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Fred Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Poor people, I agree.
I don’t know anything about the other sounds you meaning. Listening to this portion, I believe, comparing with the official report, that some strange difference are evident. On the other hand, I feel in that voices, scream and suffering some kind of unactable thing. I don’t know, fake o not this tape have something of very bad iside.
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Gracie Reply:
December 26th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Good work Fred and Jeannie!!!!
If you look closely at the Zapruder film, this is clearly the same bear that killed JFK. After all these years the mystery is solved. . .who’d a thunk it????
I don’t know about you, but I think this is part of the Warren Commission report that was blacked out!!
Keep up the good work!
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5. November 2009 at 5:43 am
from: http://www.yellowstone-bearman.com/Tim_Treadwell.html
“The first sounds from the tape are from Amie, “she sounds surprised and asks if it’s still out there”
1 – Nothing like that in the first 20 sec before the first scream of Tim.
“The next voice is from Timothy as he screams “Get out here! I’m getting killed out here!” (Tim was wearing a remote microphone on his coverall’s).
The sound of a ***tent zipper*** is then heard and the tent flap opening.
2 – Listening the audio track i can’t hear nothing like a “tent zipper” sound, but just Amie immediately after the first Tim scream.
“A short conversation ensues as Amie and Tim try and determine if the bear is really gone.”
3 – The bear is gone? Conversation? from what i hear the bear is always on the spot, and no conversation.
Fake or not? Maybe fake but…I don’t know, I’m not convinced at all.
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Me Reply:
December 27th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Lol, I don’t suppose it crossed your mind that maybe this is just a small clip from the entire audio file? I mean come on, this is only 1:51 long. It should be common sense.
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27. October 2009 at 11:36 pm
I looked up the coroners report and every word that was screamed or spoken was exactly what was on the text of the report. This is NOT a fake and I could care less what she said she would not do. I’m a coroner myself and we make 4 copies of audio we get in. One stays with me, one goes to the DA, one goes to the cops, and one goes to the family.
It could of easily got out. I know that Phil Fischer, the recording artist had a copy of it for sure because it was all over the internet years back, but I dont think he would of released it.
Adrian
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Crimes & Justice Reply:
October 28th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Adrian.. be careful.. I know the internet is all anon and all that but I don’t want you to lose your job just because of my site.
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dylan baldwin Reply:
November 4th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
im not saying your lying, but u can here breaths on the camera what r those the two are clearly far away from it?
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Sab Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
If you are capable of looking up “the coroners report and every word that was screamed or spoken”, so are the people who created this audio file.
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David Reply:
December 5th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Dylan – Tim was wearing a remote mic on his overalls
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TAMMY Reply:
January 5th, 2010 at 9:35 am
Yes, He was wearing a mic. and I believe this is real…it is exactly how it is described
27. October 2009 at 11:35 pm
I looked up the coroners report and every word that was screamed or spoken was exactly what was on the text of the report. This is NOT a fake and I could care less what she said she would not do. I’m a coroner myself and we make 4 copies of audio we get in. One stays with me, one goes to the DA, one goes to the cops, and one goes to the family.
It could of easily got out.
Adrian
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27. October 2009 at 7:22 am
This could not have been “reproduced” and is not a fake. It is just a portion of the whole. If you think it does not fit with EXACTLY what the coroner said (who listened to the tape), in more interviews – not just on the documentary, and EXACTLY with everything else recorded and written, you just are not up to date on the truth behind it all and the detail of things. You can’t recreate PURE TERROR, folks. Listen again. And the fact that one of the voices is Timmy’s is obvious – has that female soprano ring but you can recognize him as he is crying, and at the end, screaming.
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26. October 2009 at 7:33 am
Ray, judging by the time you posted this – you must’ve just watched Grizzly Man on Animal Planet and probably live in .AU. if you do, hi
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26. October 2009 at 7:30 am
Yep this is a fake
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26. October 2009 at 6:49 am
If you’ve seen the movie, you’ll know this is crap and totally unjust!!!!!
Jewel made a pledege that it would never be released. Kiara, you are correct in that it was recorded in a room with a stereo playing the added air and bear backing noise.
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22. October 2009 at 8:38 pm
…It sounds like they’re in a room…
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Gracie Reply:
December 26th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
This film is creepy. . .everyone involved is creepy, dark and weird.
All this hub-bub over a guy who plays with bear poop.
What did he expect? Bears enjoy eating meat and unfortunately for Tim, well. ..he was made of meat.
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jeff Reply:
January 15th, 2010 at 12:21 am
a little grim there gracie,but nevertheless a fact well written should I say,,its a horrible way to die nonetheless,,God bless us all,I hope he wasn’t eaten alive,good greif,,terrible
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