Real or Fake?
So many theories abound concerning this specific piece of audio. If it is truely the real audio from the camera that was on when Timothy Treadwell aka Grizzly Man and Amie Huguenard were killed by a bear, than it is chilling.
To read more info about who Timothy Treadwell is see the following
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Treadwell
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2. September 2010 at 8:22 am
Sam: Jewel does not have the only tape.
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1. September 2010 at 8:28 pm
I don’t think Jewel would have let the tape get out into the world. She loved Tim too much to let that happen. I think the tape is a fake.
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22. August 2010 at 1:55 am
Hello Treadwell Tracker: I too believe the tape is probably real, although edited as you say. But the picture that can be found through Google is not Timmy. According to Willie Fulton all that was found of him were his left arm wearing his watch and the upper porion of his cervical spine. I wonder who in the world is the man in the photo you are describing? Does anyone know? He definitely appears to have been partially eaten by SOMETHING. The coroner also said the weight of the remains of Tim and Amie, taken from the bear and the cache in the mud holding Amie, only weighed (can’t remember exactly) maybe 40 lbs altogether?
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dave9118 Reply:
August 22nd, 2010 at 4:44 pm
I hate to shatter the illusion, but for all your information the image on google of the body with the half eaten leg is the same as an image used in the English papers when another fool got too close to tigers in India, a little before the Treadwell incident, this is NOT him. I have followed this thread before but its just getting ridiculous, and everyone is getting off the point. So heres my two pence AGAIN, and in short; audio – as fake as they get, just listen carefully and you’ll hear that it was taken INDOORS! for those sad acts that claim they KNOW it to be real, get a grip of yourselves, theres a beautiful world out there, go explore and broaden your minds. This is a particularly isolated and distasteful incident, and although I wouldnt have wanted to be Tim, my real compassion goes to poor Amiee, who must have descended into madness just before the return of the bear.
Now, all of you, leave it alone, go out into the sunshine and cut the grass or some shit, but get a life, Jeeeesus!!!!
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Windinsails Reply:
August 22nd, 2010 at 4:54 pm
I agree the auto is fake, if anyone watched the original movie you know that part of the tape audio and all was destroyed to protect Tim and Amie by I believe his sister. She let the interviewer listen to it on camera so maybe he recreated it and passing it off as real? But I do believe it was destroyed. Watch the original movie toward the end you will get the same impression…I too believe they showed the picture of what was left of Tim for a brief moment too. Its been a long time since I have seen it, the movie was great and loved the fact Tim loved the bears so much he felt the need to protect them. If only we all could follow our passions. I hate the way their life ended!!! God Bless You Tim and Amie RIP
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Jon Reply:
August 22nd, 2010 at 7:57 pm
Wikipedia confirms the ‘Grizly Man Diaries’ film I saw following the Green channel’s broadcast of ‘Grizzly Man’. Jewel Palovak admits in the film she has not as yet destroyed the tape and doesn’t think she will.
The only people who had access to the tape on discovery seem to be Willy Fulton, Katmai park ranger Joel Ellis, D. Dalrymple, ranger pilot A. Gilliland.
Later, besides perhaps Alaska State Trooper spokesman Greg Wilkinson and the medical examiner the tape has not been out of Jewel’s possession. The audio here is a poor fake.
From Wikipedia:
“The tape is now the property of Jewel Palovak (Treadwell’s ex-girlfriend). In Grizzly Man, filmmaker Werner Herzog listens to the recording, unheard on the film’s soundtrack, which features the horrific, agonized screaming of Treadwell and Huguenard, and then urges Palovak to destroy it. In the follow-up mini-series, The Grizzly Man Diaries, Palovak admits she still owns the tape, but has not listened to its contents and says she hopes she never does.”
and this from the article “Night of the Grizzly”:
“Video and still camera equipment, also found at the site, were later analyzed by Alaska State Troopers where it was discovered that the last remaining 6 minutes of video tape, which was found still in the camera bag, had captured the sounds of the attack.
The first sounds from the tape are from Amie, “she sounds surprised and asks if it’s still out there”. Apparently either Tim had asked Amie to turn the camera on, or Amie just turned it on out of reflex. (I don’t believe this latter scenario took place for one minute which I will discuss in detail below). At any rate, the attack was in progress when the camera was turned on.
The next voice is from Timothy as he screams “Get out here! I’m getting killed out here!” (Tim was wearing a remote microphone on his coverall’s). The sound of a tent zipper is then heard and the tent flap opening. Amie is heard screaming over the background sounds of rain hitting the tent, the wind, and other storm sounds all mixed in with the bear and Tim fighting to “Play dead!” Seconds pass before Amie yells again to “Play dead!” (Van Daele 2004)
Not surprisingly, with Amie yelling and screaming nearby, this seems to work and the bear breaks off the attack. (more on this below) A short conversation ensues as Amie and Tim try and determine if the bear is really gone. Being trained as a physician’s assistant, it is believed that Amie made her way to Tim, and from the sounds caught on tape, the bear returns and Amie is forced to back off. Tim then is clearly heard screaming that playing dead isn’t working and begs her to “hit the bear!” ( Van Daele 2005, Fallico 2004)
The sound of rain hitting the tent, along with wind muffle the sounds at this point. However, Amie is clearly heard yelling to “Fight back!” She is then heard screaming “Stop! Go Away! or possibly Run Away!” as the sound of “a frying pan is used to beat the top of the bears head and the sound of Tim moaning. (Fallico 2004)”
This fake audio bears no similarity to eyewitness recollection.
21. August 2010 at 10:24 pm
If you go to google images and search “Timothy Treadwell Found” you will see his remains. Mostly the lower portion of his body was eaten including one leg, most of the other leg and his genitals & buttocks. He’s also naked.
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Simon Reply:
September 1st, 2010 at 3:02 am
That is not a picture of Timothy, but of another victim not related to his incident.
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21. August 2010 at 10:19 pm
The girl yells fight it, fight back repeatedly, Timothy says get the frying pan & to hit him with the frying pan. The sound of the bear is of one attacking. Sounds like the real deal edited of course.
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20. August 2010 at 1:54 am
I’m not even going to listen to this audio, which is most likely fabricated out of greed and morbid pleasure. I would call T-Squared’s passing Unnatural Selection. There are just some cookie jars out of which you keep your hands. What pisses me off is his selfishness indirectly killed his girlfriend. “Mom, dad, this is Tim, my boyfriend; he hangs out with grizzly bears.” “feather in the wind”? Okay…
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13. August 2010 at 10:18 am
Oh, please.
I’ve been involved with audio production for many years, and even on first listening to this “death tape” it was EXTREMELY OBVIOUS that the tape was faked. It’s nothing more than a sick joke.
“Lionel,” if you’re really spending time and money researching the tape while assuming it’s authentic, I’ve got to tell you: you’re wasting both. Once and for all, this tape is a FAKE.
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12. August 2010 at 11:45 am
Dear friends and syndications,
Thank you for your kind words about Timothy and I can see D.B. Fairbanks has stirred quite a debate!
I have invested a lot of scientific research into this tape and continue to throw money at it. I have instructed my (857) students to do a 1500 page thesis on the tape and post their discoverings here to be marked. We should have a result very very soon.
Yours Sincerely
Dr Lional P. Goldman
Professor (PHd En Sci)
Berkeley Institute of the Environment
Berkeley University, CA
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Jeannie Reply:
August 12th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
Please do follow through. Greatly anticipate the results.
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12. August 2010 at 10:58 am
Amen, Jon. Well said. I am amazed at all the anger directed toward Timothy by some, for whatever stated reasons. His “out there” personality has certainly elicited extremely diverse responses. Were it not for his obvious talents and self promotion, his passing would have been a feather in the wind.
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Jon Reply:
August 12th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
Thank you, Jeannie.
I don’t find their angry reaction puzzling. People have set notions, popular notions of what is and is not possible, what does and does not make sense.
When the few folks in history like Tim buck the accepted wisdom they tend to tick people off. Please believe me when I say that I don’t necessarily think Tim was Christ, but there are parallels in Tim’s public work to Jesus and Gandhi’s approach to challenges.
Gandhi suggested early in his role as a ‘non-cooperator” with the British that Christ may not just have been speaking metaphorically when he suggested offering the left cheek if one’s right cheek is struck – that one must do this in actuality, and when you do it is at first a bafflement to the attacker yet brings out a respect in them for you. You will not be deterred, you will not step back or aside. You will not flinch and you will not leave.
Sometimes, if the blow is landed often enough to no effect, the attacker withdraws. I’ve actually lived this with a neighborhood bully so I believe wholeheartedly in it mechanics. It can, though, get you killed. Fearless Love can get you killed.
By all accounts, Tim certainly flinched more than a few times in the thirteen summers he spent in the Grizzly Maze (after all, these were wild unreasoning animals he was coping with, not people!), but he didn’t give up and he continued returning.
He, like Gandhi and Christ, estimated the accepted wisdom and asked “why not?”. So, like Jesus washing the leper’s feet, like Gandhi laying in the cavalry’s path, like Hippy Flower Children placing flowers in the muzzle’s of loaded, aimed M-14s, Tim challenged the popular perception of what is possible and upset everybody.
And he did it by focusing all the Love in his heart, a place most of us leave unexplored for fear, for anger, for embarrassment.
As Al Jourgensen of the band Ministry (of all people!) wrote in his song ‘Animosity’: “In any language that you learn to speak, Love is listed and defined as weak.”
Pity us.
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12. August 2010 at 7:32 am
your new share!
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7. August 2010 at 8:05 pm
Horribly played fake, it made me LOL…
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2. August 2010 at 1:35 pm
Never make Friends with a wild creature that has the ability to end your life whenever instinct tells it to. Back in the early 80’s I was working for a landscape company near a mangrove swamp in Florida. It was a new subdivision and we were putting in palm trees at one of the houses closest to the mangroves. One of the young girls that lived in the house ran around back and told us that a massive snake was crossing the driveway. When we came around the side of the house we realized that the snake was an Eastern Diamondback Rattler,about a 7 footer. By the time I got my 12G shotgun from the truck a crowd had formed to gawk at the snake. As soon as the crowd saw my shotgun they went ballistic. No reason to kill it, let it go the crowd screamed as they threw rocks to scare the snake off. Eventually the rattler worked its way under the house and we went back to work. A couple of months later, the home builder that had hired us called and told my boss that the young girl that begged me to spare the rattler had suffered a serious bite from the snake. It had crawled inside her swing set playhouse and struck as soon as she entered it. The very same people that had prevented me from killing the snake suddenly changed their tune. Now I was to blame for not killing the snake. The girl lived through the agony of a rattler bite. But I’ve always wondered if she still feels so protective of rattlesnakes.
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smanCometh Reply:
September 3rd, 2010 at 2:05 pm
Put the weapon away John Wayne…what do you do, go around shooting every animal that has the potential to kill you? Why don’t you go ahead and shoot yourself and rid the world of your sorry ass excuse for a human being. What a F@%%#@ LOSER!
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2. August 2010 at 11:20 am
Well, this page looks way better than my google blog. I think I might use Wordpress aswell.Your thoughts on this Regards.
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2. August 2010 at 2:04 am
Ironic really but by his habituating the bears to Human company and then being killed as a consequence of this unatural relationship and the proximity it brought, the bears needed to be shot as they now posed an increased threat to Humans, once a bear kills a human they no longer see Humans as off the menu. I feel so sorry for his girlfriend why did she stay? For me the movie was not so much an insight into Bears but an insight into the troubled soul of a man who was battling with identity and destiny who seemed to have a considerable amount of mental baggage, he also seemed to lack career fulfillment and was trying desperately to achieve this through his unconventional approach to Bears His mental state was very disturbing at one point a messsage is scribbled on a rock “Hi Timothy see you in the Fall” a nice message, he turns to the camera and insists it’s a warning ‘Freddy Kruger’ style. Personally I think he needed counselling and should have been nowhere near any lethal creature, but he was over 16 so what can you do. However I would say if he had gone for 5 or 6 phycological sessions the analysis would have been, persecution complex with delusional reality, high bouts of escalation followed by deep sorrowful downs, clear clinical depressive symptoms, he should have been nowhere near bears, his girlfriend, why why why? He did seem like a nice guy though, shame no one could see he needed help, but even if someone would have old him I doubt if he would have listened.
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2. August 2010 at 1:09 am
I watched the original movie a few years ago and I know for a fact that part of the tapes where Tim and his g/f Amie were being attacked and eaten were distroyed after the producer listened to it on camera for the movie. Its Gone, kaput…any one saying it is still around is dead wrong. DEAD WRONG.. just like the Steve Irwin filming of his accidental death, all distroyed. I think its the right thing to do when the family wants privacy because this can rear its ugly head over and over and over in all forms of media.. totally.. not cool.. God Bless
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percuvius Reply:
August 5th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
@Windinsails
No, you’re wrong DEAD WRONG. How can you say it was a “FACT” it was destroyed when the director Herzog only suggested she destroyed it which she later said she never did, yet never listened to it either. This audio here is FAKE because in the real audio he told Amy to RUN.
You can’t even spell destroyed so get your facts straight!
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percuvius Reply:
August 5th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
@Windinsails
No, you’re wrong DEAD WRONG. How can you say it was a “FACT” it was destroyed when the director Herzog only suggested she destroy it which she later said she never did, yet never listened to it either. This audio here is FAKE because in the real audio he told Amy to RUN.
You can’t even spell destroyed so get your facts straight!
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1. August 2010 at 9:49 pm
Tim enjoyed his life with bears no doubt for 13 years. One needs to have a mad streak in self do such things and he had obviously. He had every right to do what he wanted but violation of park laws is unacceptable. He could have made friends with the park people taking them into confidence slowly but surely and he could have stayed with bears for another 50 years. Park authorities are also human and have jobs to handle. Keeping weapon may be not fitting in his ethics. But keeping spray for self preservation certainly would not violate park laws I assume. Anyway he lived his life, that is all. Feel sorry for the lady who died with him unfortunately.
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1. August 2010 at 10:56 am
I just watched the film “Grizzly Man” and additional interviews last night on Green.
This audio clip is the most phoney bad taste put-on I’ve ever heard. You can hear the echo off their voices, the bear sounds like a guy doing a bear voice and the wind noise is obviously someone blowing over the microphone. It’s a real disgrace some jerk would put this together, but it’s worse that someone would disseminate it.
I don’t know how to feel about Tim’s work. I’m ten years his junior. I’ve had friends that he reminds me of to an uncanny degree – it’s almost a specific personality type: the effeminate voice, the passive strong attachment to women alternatingly friends and lovers and crossing the line (there is a type of woman who is attracted to these live-wire drunk little boy types who are incapable of seeing them in an unbiased fashion as seems to be the case with the women interviewed), the unrealistic romanticised view of life that per situation leads to trouble they must be bailed out of), the petulant attitude and anger, and strangely, the boundless love that often does not find an object.
Tim was lucky in this sense: he found something to love unreservedly. Consciously he knew the danger and the reality (the most telling scene is where he’s yelling at God to make it rain) but still refused, petulantly, to accept it. He never truly accepted just how dangerous what he was doing was, it was never fully REAL to him (the dung scene is obviously proof of this – his shock at handling fresh bear excrement, how close he feels to ‘his’ bear then despite it only being yards away). There were walls of distance between him and the animals that grieved him, so he attempted to get as close as possible.
It was probably never real to him until the bear pushed him down and mauled him.
I found his utter ineptitude and unprofessionalism shocking: the first rule of approaching any animal, wild or domestic, is do not stick your fingers in it’s face. Tim clearly did this repeatedly and it’s amazing he got away with it. He at least proved that a biological level of fearlessness will get you far and that may be why they animals hadn’t previously assaulted him, the foxes included.
I don’t see any response here to the post-film interviews so I’ll share the factual elements of what they had to offer: Apparently six confirmed poaching kills where found where Tim had camped shortly after his death where none had been reported in the 13 years he’d ben out there.
According to his friends in Alaska poaching is the state’s dirty secret, unadmitted to even by their wildlife departments.
The tape still exists in the hands of his friend, who I hardly imagine letting it out for copying, and surely would have reported stolen if it did.
Regarding others attitude toward Tim’s death, “deserved” is a strong word implying judgement. No one involved in wildlife conservation deserves to die by the jaw and claw of wild animals any more than a steel worker deserves to fall twenty stories to their death. But Tim WAS clearly unprofessional and took no precautions for his own safety nor that of the animals he claimed to protect.
If one could say he “deserved” to die then say he was guilty of playing the odds, of being hopelessly romantic and unrealistic, of not accepting that there were things that happen in the natural world that seem unfair by human standards. He was guilty of assuming he could make a difference at a second by second level. He was guilty of being just strong enough and capable enough of planting himself in harms way, where others of his psychological make-up or condition would not be found. He was guilty of attempting to play God in his limited way. He was guilty of being a fool.
In this manner he certainly courted death, though didn’t necessarily “deserve” it. He took things just about as far as he dared, bucking the accepted wisdom, and he should be commended as the seeker he was. That this seeking was born of some inner turmoil and clearly self-satisfying should not be held against him: selfish motives are at the core of all human exploration and accomplishment. His humanity, enthusiasm and attempts at educating others who would listen prove the insignificant level of this selfishness, as crucial as it was.
His self-appointed staus as “protector” was obviously born of a point of view based on information we don’t have regarding poaching. We can only judge this status based on results, and in the wake of his demise they indicate he was doing what he claimed.
If only he could have excercised some self discipline and been more methodical, taking precautions against the worst that might happen. Fearlessness like his come along very rarely and it’s waste is a tragedy, yet if he had not attempted his work HIS way, unarmed and unafraid it would not have had the same spiritual impact or meaning for himself and everyone who ever heard of him. He died horribly and yet well – truly his death was both avoidable, and yet inevitable.
“The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in or stars but within ourselves.”
In the Western world such a premium has been placed on living that we have cheapened life itself, medicating ourselves into an old age that often extends long past any semblance of usefullness or joy.
Tim may have met his demise by drugs or alcohol or traffic accident or internal biological disease just like the rest of us. He chose to live exactly the way he wished for as long as fate would allow in a hightened reality most of us will never experience.
He truly took his life in his own hands, yet the tragedy is that he may have never felt quite so alive or had the experience so real as when the thing he loved murdered him.
If I were Tim I don’t think I’d want things any other way.
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rocksolid Reply:
August 1st, 2010 at 10:37 pm
A very well written piece. I fully agree with what you say. Those inner feelings you describe so succinctly, is a clear miss for most mortals. I am Indian (from India) and researched and worked with wild elephants for many years in the jungles of India. I always marveled at western mindset. Some of the queries in my mind are answered in your comments. Looking at my jungle forays – I always took calculated risks and never carried any weapons, since we have no access to any weapons other than kitchen knives. However, I had few close brushes with death that were purely coincidental. But foolhardiness has no place in pure research and I assume that other than mesmerizing videos, Timothy has published nothing towards population dynamics, behaviour, feeding habits over seasons, vegetation dynamics etc in a scientific manner. I see him rattling something related to Hindu gods, allah and Jesus in one video to get rain. At that moment I thought I am seeing a paranoid, neurotic person with wide mood swings. But perhaps may be only such people can get that close to animals like bears. I could not cross that barrier to touch an elephant in the wild or sit few meters from the pachyderm thinking that they love me and would accept me eternally as part of the ecosystem. I have seen the most gory killings by elephants that can put bears to shame And mind you elephant is a vegetarian animal. To sum up – I do not blame him for what he did but the lady should not have lost her life. (a foot note: the largest number of people killed by wild animals in India every year are by elephants followed by Sloth bears, one of the smaller bear species
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Jon Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 6:29 pm
Thanks for sharing!
You, better than anyone else commenting here, will appreciate what I understand as the short leap between what most accept as sanity and reasonableness to the “crazy” behavior exhibited by Treadwell.
I won’t say that he sincerely, or in fact, felt to his core the connection to the “All”, the religious experience because, until the end, I don’t think he did, but he had love and compassion enough in his heart that he was so close he could almost touch it. His desperation for this experience is clear and it must have caused him great pain and anguish as is evident from the record he left.
Perhaps better than anyone in recent times Tim stands as an example of someone “Crazy with Love”, slightly cracked in contrast to most people. What is thought of as “cracked” is actually fearlessness with regards to how others perceive us. I grew up on Long Island just several miles from Tim. Most people spend their lives in self-constructed isolation and in their quest (if they seek at all) to connect with God they develop animosity towards others and the world as impediments to this connection. Of course, they fail daily and their isolation grows geometrically. This animostity toward others who thwarted his work was apparent in Tim at times, yet did not extend to the natural world. It is obvious to me why Amie stayed with him – he must have seemed the closest thing to Purity she had ever experienced, a light like no other, a soul like no other. Her strength and conviction is apparent in her final actions as recorded by the tape and related by the medical examiner. In contrast to the pathetic and pointless variety of deaths most of us face, perhaps this expression of her full strength and love for Tim was the finest way she could meet her Maker.
While I don’t think the experience was completely real to Tim because of the boundaries he must have felt between him and the animals he was evidently conscious of his proximatey to death. Yet, if the bears lived, so would he. I don’t think he could ever be satified until he could actually BE the bears concurrent with his own existence. This is the mystical experience on the natural level and unattainable due to the realities of flesh and blood. During the sexual act humanity attempts much the same thing – to become One, thus do many people equate sex with the religious experience.
I think Tim’s tapes and diaries were a masquerade, an eloquent excuse and way to connect back to humanity. I’ve changed my mind since last I wrote: Tim’s work should not be judged as an unprofessional attempt at scholarship or research. His “research” was like rock wall paintings by cavemen in the wild world, a way of expressing his own humanity for others to witness and share his soul. This type of expression will either succeed or fall short depending on it’s creator’s talents and level of sanity if not, at least, sincerity. The true reason he was there was this desperate attempt to connect with God through the bears – through nature as he percieved it.
I didn’t know Tim personally, we never met. Yet through Herzog’s film Tim showed me something, a flash of his soul that reflected my own. The rest of my opinion I have searched my own heart for. Everyone experiences this reflection on occasion, where we are given all we need to know of someone’s soul by a few brief sincere words and deeds. The rest of their being, no matter how repugnant, is inconsequential in our esteem. Thus I find it with Tim who I probably would have been quite irritable with had we been acquainted.
As is evident, he was happier so close to nature and the bears but he could never quite completely connect – he was an outsider and he knew it, hence his evident instability and anger towards other “outsiders”, provoking his status as “protector”. A protector does not truly share in the daily life of that which is shielded. He must be vigilant and distant to be effective, and so Tim must have reasoned away his own sense of alienation. He would admire from afar, occasionally getting as close as he dared. But like the old myths, when one approaches divinity, the Light, one risks being consumed.
And so he was.
In the final analysis, the only measure Tim’s life and work, his art if you will, may be judged is in how well it succeeded for him and, on the other hand, it’s quality for us. He utterly bore his soul, so much so that it only requires a small degree of empathy and imagination to understand and appreciate it. His work was not about the life of bears, but about what fearless love may accomplish. In this he completely succeeded. That he died is immaterial – everything perishes eventually. The question is: does it perish WELL, does it succeed even in it’s demise?
This second measure may be appreciated by the level to which Tim connected with the object of his adoration, the bears. If existence may be measured right up until the point of one’s final exhalation, then Tim experienced this connection as his final act – an act of absorption, as gruesome as it was. But nature is frequently ugly and seemingly cruel. The beauty we seek to observe in nature is generally of the skin deep variety. It’s true beauty is evident in the complete and utter identification of differing substances when they are bonded. This is the “Bhagavad Gita” 101 regarding true religion. In this sense, Tim’s death was beautiful and exactly what he desired for himself. Yet, he had not completely abandoned his humanity and sense of individual self since he warned off Amie as his penultimate act. In some manner this may be seen as selfish – for him, this death was his alone; only he could comprehend and appreciate it’s value. To share it must have been intolerable in more than just the obvious sense of wishing his lover to live and continue – a continuation that included the human part of him, the part he wished to leave behind to his family and friends: his memory and personality.
But what did Tim leave us – did he succeed or fail to prove anything? If one judges by appearance and popular conception only then what we see is a barely competent fool playing the odds until he lost miserably. But it is a truism that the first person we lie to when we seek to deceive is ourselves. Tim may have believed that what he was doing was scientific ground-breaking research about grizzly bears, but his commentary and emotional outbursts betray him: what he was there in the wilderness for was an excercise in Fearless Love, in true religion.
Reflecting on Tim reaching out to the bears I am reminded of Michaelangelo’s “The Creation of Adam” as Adam attempts to take the hand of God, as I am of the children’s book character Francis the Badger when she admonishes her two-faced friend “We can be careful… or we can be friends.” There is a quote from the Gita that I also find appropriate: “The most miraculous thing in the world is that no man thinks he will die though he sees death all around him”. I find all these pertinent to the life Tim portrayed in his work and in the Herzog film and interviews.
I find myself faulting him less for his petulance and paranoia than I do praising him for his fearless love, his openhanded unprotected love. I imagine the only person who could truly appreciate Tim’s existence would be a circus trapeze artist. He accomplished all he did without a “safety net”. If he had been less impetuous he may have been taken more seriously, but that very same quality walked hand in hand with the child in his soul, the part that contained such boundless fearless love. the two could not be separated. That he took no money for his lectures is telling. His work was not his livelihood – it was his very LIFE; it was not his means of support in the phenomenal world but the very pillars that housed his spirit.
The Gita and Mahatma Gandhi speak of working without thought for reward, for ends. Means, the right means, are all that counts in the soul’s development. Who other than a thrill-seeking personality like Tim’s would appreciate that concept better? If life is in the moment then the ends do not matter, then fear of death does not hold one back. Tim appears to have lived like this. The threat of immediate harm would be dealt with when it occured and not any sooner. To do so would have been to adjust his means – to love less at that moment than with a full heart.
In this world Tim found, he must have realised it would require every ounce of his love if he were to do things his way – the “means” must be utterly pure or they were useless to him, to the growth of his spirit. The rest of his life had been full of compromise, as we all compromise – this place, the Grizzly Maze, required Tim’s absolute conviction, his total belief. We all seek total belief in some sense, though few find it. His belief was in his ability to love unconditionally, something he may not have been capable of in the “civilised” world, indeed few are capable of such love here. It was when he came back to our world that he brimmed with enthusiasm for what he’d discovered, much like Buddha must have brimmed when he stood up from the Bhodi Tree and went to preach his good news. What we see is not all there is, there is more.
So much more.
Tim was flawed, obviously, with regard to his own accomplishment. In the film he struggles with whether or not he is something special for achieving such gentle proximity to the bears and pride just about overtakes him, pride being an impediment to spiritual enlightenment. Occasionally his more exhuberant rants seem to confirm that he has been swamped with it. But these rants are reactionary in response to the threat he feels from potential poachers and bureaucrats and not to that of anyone who wished to share his experience – that he invited others along, sharing the danger, tells much. He was willing to share unreservedly the Love he’d found.
With all this in mind, it is not too far a reach to say he was almost Christ-like. Like Jesus, he was a child in his heart regarding the world he loved and the type of love he felt it required. Jesus admonishes his followers on getting married to “be like unto little children”, to approach the world with awe, wonder, humility and fearlessly. Tim’s view of the natural world in the Grizzly Maze was certainly childlike and it was the primary object of his adoration. He was wedded to it in his heart. Jesus also preached fearless love, himself in dealing with the harsh world around him, Tim in the face of bodily harm – harm he claimed he was certain would occur eventually. Who had more strength? Do men fear other men more than they do wild animals unarmed and unaided? Who can say? But if Christ taught fearlessness of others and fearless love for them, then Tim’s message was directed toward the natural world, a world of danger and instinct, a world that more and more Westerners today have lost touch with, a world that is confronted only briefly in a human lifetime and then usually with firearms.
I have not read whether Tim was a vegetarian, but it would not surprise me. Why is red meat spared in favor of fish during Christian holidays? I find the salmon element of Tim’s research with the bears amusing, but perhaps there’s more there than delicate coincidence.
Many religions have as their center a gospel, or good news. It is popularly accepted that this gospel (whether it is knowledge that aids our breaking the attachments that bind us to the Wheel of Karma, or of Nirvana, or of Salvation, or Torah) is the heart of the religion, the part the allows human beings to reflect on and feel closer to their Creator. But I think this is not so, I think there has been a wall with a ledge that has remained unseen. Tim was my foothold, the step I used to peer over. I think that the true way to Joy and Oneness with All in this life is in the act of SHARING such gospels, not the gospels themselves, useful as they may be, to acclimate and accept life in this world.
Personally, I do not find value in Salvation and only the rudiments of moral behavior in the Torah and Ten Commandments. The Wheel of Karma that binds me to this life and the next is not something I fear so I don’t feel the need to lead an ascetic life full of quiet indifference for the sake of such liberation.
But Tim’s message of Fearless Love appeals to me. I only wish I could find a worthy object of adoration to give all I have. I’ve experienced social situations where I did in fact give it every thing I had yet I was left alone with a myocardial infarction from heart-break in the end. Maybe my aim was too broad. I think sometimes it would have been better if I’d died than live with the half-hearted stolid spirit I have now, than to be this numb and dissociated. Tim didn’t have to experience the heartbreak he surely would have suffered if he’d lived, yet he lived well for thirteen summers.
It is a truism that fools make the best martyrs. By the time they have met their not unexpected demise, the relation of their “absurd” view of reality causes us to run through the gamut of emotions – initial incredulousness, then anger, even hatred and disgust, then bitter humor, and finally perhaps pity, compassion and even empathy. When the cause is the raising of the human spirit as was the case with Tim, whether he realised it or not, the loss is felt all the more sharply, the anger more clearly.
Indeed, when I first heard of Tim I had nothing but disdain for him: This incompetent fool had received the death he deserved. But my heart was troubled because, though I saw much of a few specific friends (whom I do not think highly of), in Tim I saw more of myself, of my secret longings and dreams, of how I’d like to be. I am not a thrill-seeker. I do not live in every moment without regard for consequences, or rather, it is those consequences that dictate how I approach situations.
Yet they say Tim lived recklessly. Is a short full life, lived loving to the maximum better or more valuable than a life lived cautiously in careful measure? I don’t know for certain. Few people act out their last moments with such a heightened measure of reality than Tim and Amie did. The rest of us drift in and out of consciousness with no more regard for reality than if it were a television program. This is the essence of a romantic spirit: all or nothing. That Tim was fond of black clothing betrays a romantically “gothic’ soul I suspect he had.
I pray Tim was unafraid for himself when he died. I’d like to think he died the way he attempted to live out in the wild.
And I pray every day to find the Reckless Love, the Fearless Love I once had that I saw mirrored in Tim, and that others would share it.
God bless you, Tim and Amie.
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Debbie Reply:
August 17th, 2010 at 4:53 am
Jon,
Shame on you for blaming your myocardial infarction on “heart-break”. Get real and at least stop lying to yourself! Myocardial infarction is caused by a combination of genetics and your lifetime of poor health habits.
uw Reply:
August 7th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
He is responsible of death another human being and this is unforgivable!
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Jon Reply:
August 12th, 2010 at 10:26 am
Amie, by all accounts, knew Alaska better than Tim did and went there with eyes open. She was responsible for herself.
She appparently forgave him in her final moments and so should we.
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1. August 2010 at 5:27 am
It’s fake; the bear made very little noise, just an occasional grunt.
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31. July 2010 at 8:42 pm
The Audio is FAKE the audio was put through speech recognition software at University of Manchester Institute of Science and Technology,Look it up here at the U.M.I.S.T website.
But yes a horrible way to choose to die and a very stupid way to promote how dangerous we know these lovely WILD creatures are!!!
Timothy Treadwell obviously loved these great creatures but forgot to respect them.
Maybe more bears will be killed because this is now nothing but a famous story of a man being killed by a bear!!!
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31. July 2010 at 1:23 pm
Trey: My goodness you sound heartless. I hope you aren’t really. A tortuous death like this is not the way for anyone to die. The best thing to ever happen to Timmy was getting off drugs AND FINDING A REASON TO LIVE, even if that “reason” took him down.
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31. July 2010 at 11:49 am
I’m sorry but I can have no remorse for a person THAT STUPID! Death was probably the best thing that ever happened to him.
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24. July 2010 at 3:26 pm
Just watched the documentary about Tim. He did more harm than good and, died stupidly and needlessly.
I dislike him after know what I know about this obviously deranged man. I just wish that his friend Amie would not have been with him.
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peter Reply:
July 24th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
lol i just watched it on sundance right now
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luke Reply:
July 24th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
haha me too
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21. July 2010 at 12:49 am
07/21/2010
Dear friends,
I’m sorry if I came on a little strong, it’s just that I read some of the comments especially by D.B. Fairbanks who said this was a recording scraped up off some space age bulliten board many moon light years ago and it struck a nerve, one which I can’t quite describe. It was kind of like a lightning bolt plumeting a tree, splitting it in two from the anus up.
You see, Timothy and I trekked together with the Bears, and just because I didn’t post about it on blog.BERKLEY.edu then I shall remember for next time to please the likes of Nils Anderson next time I want to put my 2 cents into a webforum about whether a tape is real or not. I do apologise to Nils Andersson (BTW, if THAT is your real name) because I admit I had a chuckle just then when I cut and pasted it back into here and realised how stupid that name sounds, but it is funny so I’ll give you one point there, and maybe I mispelt Berksely on purpose to see who is on the ball and who isn’t. It’s not me on trial here. If anything it’s proved you can use a search engine, and it’s twice the effort that D.B. #@$^ing Fairbanks attempted when conquoring such a mighty feat.
I have listened to this tape from a lot of different sources and I can guarentee it’s the real deal. I put my word on it. I have also outsourced it to many relevant authorities to validate its authenticity and so far the results are fairly conclusive I must admit.
Timothy died doing what he loved doing. End of story. Some people even say he suicided by bear, and then there’s some that even say he recorded the attack, fled the scene then posted it up on the internet using one worded nicknames.
It’s even possible that’s the soundclip that D.B. Fairbanks was referring to as Timothy Treadwell was quite the joker posting his own clips up with funny names like clown_sex.wav, camel_jokes.wav, etc… Boy I bet D.B. Fairbanks would be red-faced then!
Mind you… If one life can be saved from a bear attack by this tape, then its work is already done.
Yours Sincerely
Dr Lional P. Goldman
Professor (PHd En Sci)
Berkeley Institute of the Environment
Berkeley University, CA
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Nathan Reply:
July 21st, 2010 at 2:52 am
It has to be a fake. The human voices sound like they were recorded indoors. The voice doesn’t sound like Mr Treadwell’s. Didn’t the Amie try to keep hitting the bear with a frying pan? Why can’t we hear that? And why would the bear keep roaring? It had no reason to.
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Nathan Reply:
July 21st, 2010 at 4:33 am
Just to specify – the human voices have slight reverberation, which tends to come from a poor indoor recording. Furthermore, the bear doesn’t have the same reverb, so it’s not recorded in the same place.
Furthermore, Dr Lional Goldman is not listed on the Berkley Institute of the Environment Website – http://bie.berkeley.edu/people. And there doesn’t appear to be any hits on Google scholar, or the Berkley website for that name. Where did you say you worked again?
And.. Lionel is normally spelled with an E.
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Kate Reply:
July 29th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
The coroner says that the screaming was nearly constant and that he told Amie to leave which is not on this tape though it could have come later. The coroner also said Timothy’s head was in the bears mouth first and that he was moaning while Amie was screaming. I’m inclined to believe him, I don’t know much about know much about recording so I can’t comment on that part but it does sound strangely canned.
D.B.Fairbanks Reply:
July 21st, 2010 at 6:08 am
Lionel,
You wrote,
07/21/2010
I have listened to this tape from a lot of different sources and I can guarantee it’s the real deal. I put my word on it. I have also outsourced it to many relevant authorities to validate its authenticity and so far the results are fairly conclusive I must admit…
You previously wrote,
May 2010 at 5:15 am
I have heard the original and I have also heard this and this is only a small portion of the original recording.
If you’d heard the original why would you have needed to outsource
the clip to find it “fairly” conclusive? You just seem insistent on using insults against others, especially me, instead of debating the point of this forum. I’m not trying to insult you Lional, but your statements are unscholarly and simply insulting.
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Lional P. Goldman Reply:
July 21st, 2010 at 11:15 am
22/07/2010
D.B. Fairbanks & Friends
Firstly, thank you for your prompt reply. We’re both professional people with professional names and committed to standing by them.
Secondly, I outsource because it’s the American way. I have collegues working on the tapes round the clock in 2 laboratories.
Nathan, I thank you for your reply. I apologise, I thought your comments were on your own terms when I received the emails, but now that I’m here, I can see they were actual replies to me sparking this debate into an entirely new level.
The interesting thing here is, no one here including myself have never been attacked by a bear. I’ve come close, but I ran to the car, locked all the doors and hightailed it out of there.
If you were to listen to an audio recording that day, then it would probably sound like a pre-pubescent girl followed by a roar, an engine starting and the sound of tyres squealing.
Upon listening to that audio tape, one might say that the Bear drove off in the car leaving me stranded in the woods or some might even suggest that it wasn’t a real car at all and that only real bears drive a Chevrolet or a Ford.
Then there’s the guesswork… Did the car have enough fuel to make it out of there? Was it a rear Bear? Where were the kids during all this? There’s just so much that can be left to interpretation by listening to an audio tape.
A chair breaking probably does sound a lot like a tent being on the receiving end of a Bear (minus the Bear noises of course).
Lastly, I’d like to conclude that I might not be who I say I am. The reason for this is anonymity however I would like to conclude that I do see my name on the website that Nathan listed.
That being said, maybe the so called “actors” in that “fake” tape written above purposely changed the sounds of the tent being ripped to a chair being broken to remain anonymous on the Internet.
If Timothy were alive today, he’d be looking at us with that quizzed looked he always gave the bears before packing up and heading home.
And to my friend, D.B. Fairbanks, I was not insulting you but in fact inspired by your internet based web forum political motivated chatter and forward thinker and prodding such a fine strapping lad as yourself would only promote some well-deserved thought into this conundrum.
Yours Sincerely
Dr Lional P. Goldman
Professor (PHd En Sci)
Berkeley Institute of the Environment
Berkeley University, CA
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Nathan Reply:
July 21st, 2010 at 8:19 pm
You wrote: “I have collegues working on the tapes round the clock in 2 laboratories.”
Assuming this is the original audio… Why?? If you know it’s original.. What are they working on? And why would you (or anyone else) spend so much money and effort? Ie what are you trying to prove, and what tapes are you referring to?
You said” We’re both professional people with professional names and committed to standing by them.”
and then said
“Lastly, I’d like to conclude that I might not be who I say I am. The reason for this is anonymity however I would like to conclude that I do see my name on the website that Nathan listed.”
All I can say is that you don’t argue like an academic, let alone a professor… Too many inconsistencies, and suspicious statements… IE How can we believe you?
Nathan Reply:
July 21st, 2010 at 10:29 pm
I have to say – internet forums can be really comical when people like you get involved.
You wrote:
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I’ve come close, but I ran to the car, locked all the doors and hightailed it out of there.
”
Why would you lock all the doors? Bears don’t tend to try the handle on the door to see if it’s unlocked.
And then there’s this: “Upon listening to that audio tape, one might say that the Bear drove off in the car leaving me stranded in the woods or some might even suggest that it wasn’t a real car at all and that only real bears drive a Chevrolet or a Ford.”
How did you end up in the scene, and what are you about??
And then this” I have listened to this tape from a lot of different sources and I can guarentee it’s the real deal.”
How many sources have the tape, why do so many people have it, and how do they all know you?
I can only suspect that you made the silly recording, posted it on the net, then came on here with a fake name and fake credentials, claimed to be Mr Treadwells friend of many years, and tried to make everyone believe the recording is real. Problem is that you’re statements just don’t add up.
If you’d said nothing, some people might have believed that it was real… Now, I think you’ve kinda blown the whole thing…
D.B.Fairbanks Reply:
July 22nd, 2010 at 5:48 am
I must agree with Nathan. I’m pretty much done with this thread Lionel. I stated previously I actually had been attacked by a bear so for you to ignore or trivialize that fact proves you either don’t read the comments and/or you have no sympathy or care for what’s being said. Your last bunch of nonsense seemed to be written by a kid! I’m sorry I kept reponding. With that I’m still happy to discuss,debate, or argue the origional thread but I’m done with this
digression.
Thanks Y’all. D.B.
Ryan Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 2:09 am
The tape is an obvious fake, as are you Mr. Ph.D.! Wouldn’t someone with a Ph.D. know it’s Ph.D. and not PHd and that it’s “mispelled” and not “mispelt?” You also say you went to Berkeley University…lmao…it’s actually the University of California – Berkeley. What you did was go to their website and misread what you saw!I also find it difficult to believe that someone with a Ph.D. would resort to some of the childish responses you’ve demonstrated here.
We all know you’re as fake as the audio file, so give it a rest already…you’re not convincing anyone!
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20. July 2010 at 11:54 am
I found his work Amazing, An interesting look at bears, He Timothy i think Got a little Careless in his trust of these Animals, They are wild beasts always wanting food, I believe the bear that killed him was an older bear that could not hunt as well as younger bears, Tim was easy prey Tragic,
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20. July 2010 at 12:05 am
This is a fake! You can clearly hear that the bear noise is fake plus in the grizzly man documetary video they state that the audio is almost 5 minets long. So clearly this is just some stupide peaple giving their own veiw of how they died.
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19. July 2010 at 9:01 pm
All of you idoits need to STFU.
Treadwell didn’t cause any further harm to bears. FU and FU. B!tch.
TAKE THIS SHIT DOWN
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Kate Reply:
July 29th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
So when bears that were us use to him walked up to people and got hit by rocks (cause those people just wanted photos not to mace the bears or shoot them) that doesn’t cause a problem?
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19. July 2010 at 9:00 pm
All of you idoits need to STFU.
Treadwell didn’t cause any further harm to bears. FU and FU. B!tch.
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17. July 2010 at 10:29 am
Tim, surely you cannot believe ANYONE deserves to die that way! Not even an “idiot.” The idea of poachers gave Timothy what he felt was credibility and sanction. He had found a reason to live. Can we fault him for that when there obviously was a sincere degree of love involved for the animals? Bears could not reject him emotionally (physically they sure could, but he had become desensitized to the idea of that) or make him feel small and unimportant, like the humans had in his past. He needed a VISION and a PASSION to make him feel real, important and needed. Women or work had not fulfilled his deep need. I believe mentally there had to be some imbalance in the dynamic also. The story of his life touched me, educated me and blessed me, to see someone so deeply committed to and involved in SOMETHING GOOD, in this terrifying world of evil we live in. I try to see the best in everyone without judging, hoping they will look back at me the same way in return. He deserves some respect, not ridicule.
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Kate Reply:
July 29th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
So where were these poachers? Did he ever stop any? He documented his own disillusion and erratic insanity. I certainly don’t think he deserved to die that way, but his final trip had about a million things wrong/different about it and he seemed way too okay with the concept of ‘dying for them’
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22. June 2010 at 12:54 pm
who cares. if its real, fine. if it’s not, fine.
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28. May 2010 at 8:14 am
This was years ago and you are still at it? If that tape is real, then who put it on the internet? I believe only miss Palovak has a copy.. If this is realy timothy treadwell screaming there, i find it distasteful and very unthoughtful.. Surely miss Palovak would have it erased from the site??
Therefore I believe it’s just a fake, allthough a good one.
Nour
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16. May 2010 at 5:15 am
Ok guys, now I hate to break it to you… This is the REAL deal. Many of you have claimed that it’s a soundwave from a website without any claims to back it up.
I went to school with Timothy Treadwell and supported him through his heroin addiction and went with him on his first expedition to Canada with the bears. I have heard the original and I have also heard this and this is only a small portion of the original recording.
So to you D.B. Fairbanks, I say you don’t know shit.
Lional P. Goldman
Wildlife and Conservation Professor
Berksley University, CA
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D.B. Fairbanks Reply:
May 16th, 2010 at 7:35 am
Hey Lional, I’ve been off this for awhile because the discussion kinda went alot of different directions which a good conversation should, that’s how we learn. I’m responding to you only because I’ve been discussing A TAPE, not the life of Treadwell or whether the sound byte is real because people knew him better than anyone else. I do know that you don’t know me…that I live in Canada, I grew up around bears, and was attacked by a bear that broke my leg in 4 places! So I actually DO know “shit” prof! Think about the “shit” you say before you call someone out. The sound byte I’ve been discussing IS fake but I guess it’s really good and if you have access to the tape release it so we all can put this to bed.
Thanks… D.B.F.
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jerryss03 Reply:
June 5th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
DBF
I agree with you that this is not the tape in question. Furthermore, I do not believe that this is an audio of a real bear attack, but a rather mediocre attempt by one or more people to shock listeners. I can not confirm this, since I nor, I believe, “Prof” Goldman have heard said tape. I have heard and seen disturbing footage in the past, and this audio does not rise to that level, since it is clearly, to me, a forgery. I hope this tape never is released, but I also hope that it is never destroyed. The reminder that an audio tape of this magnitude exists should be deterrent enough to keep most novice “bear whisperers” from meeting the same fate as Mr.Treadwell and Ms. Huguenard, may they rest in peace.
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D.B.Fairbanks Reply:
July 1st, 2010 at 5:29 am
Jerryss03,
Thanks.
Lional P. Goldman Reply:
July 1st, 2010 at 5:57 am
Guys,
This is the confirmed real deal. It’s only a portion taken from the tape as mentioned in the description. The original is locked in a deep vault 3 metres underground at a disclosed address in Seattle.
I studied bears with Timothy in the late 90’s and while I took a profession in Conserving Wildlife, Timothy chose a very dangerous route filming himself with the bears.
I have no doubt in my mind that this will change a lot of people.
Lional P. Goldman
Wildlife and Conservation Professor
Berksley University, CA
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Nils Andersson Reply:
July 13th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
Interesting that there is no mentioning of a Lional P Goldman in connection to Berksley University… Nor BERKELEY University for LIONEL P Goldman…
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knowitall Reply:
July 17th, 2010 at 8:08 am
This is not the real deal. And to agree with Nils here. There is no reference to neither Lional P. Goldman or any wildlife and conservative thing at Berkeley that I can find.
I don’t see there is any reason for the Grizzly Man documentary to lie about the whereabouts of the tape that seems to be in the posession of that Jewel woman and is quite likely to be destroyed by now. But please provide more “evidence” of your claim Lional P. Goldman.
16. May 2010 at 3:36 am
Clearly a stupid faux recording – but Treadwell in “Grizzly Man” seems bipolar or manic depressive and it’s a shame that Ami was lulled into a false sense of security with him.
Also chronic characteristics of narcissism – for while he has written that he hated life amongst people, he still craved their attention by making videos, which were clearly to be used later via Hollywood perhaps.
I find his character to be far more interesting than anything he recorded on the bears!
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25. April 2010 at 4:46 pm
If i went and swam with the sharks and they ate me would I be stupid
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21. April 2010 at 2:46 pm
This is the biggest ripoff since the Iraq War!
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21. April 2010 at 10:47 am
One more thing: men have received the congressional medal of honor for less bravery than Amie Huguenard showed facing imminent death. She attacked a Grizzly with a frying pan in an attempt to save Tim. They should both be remembered with respect and dignity
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jerryss03 Reply:
June 5th, 2010 at 10:45 pm
Name one recipient of the MOH who showed less bravery; I challenge you. Particularly since most recipients receive this profound award posthumously. I’m not taking away from Ms. Huguenards brave act; it was, in fact, a very heroic attempt at saving another human beings life. But you, I believe sir, are besmirching the bravery of our soldiers by attempting to draw comparisons.
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21. April 2010 at 10:22 am
Fake. Whoever made it, get a life.
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14. April 2010 at 10:49 pm
This is a fake. I urge you to remove it!
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31. March 2010 at 7:54 pm
this is not the real audio from the movie. In the documentary it says you can hear Timothy yelling @ Amie telling her to run, yet she doesn’t and that you can hear her hitting the bear with what sounds to be a frying pan. Therefore I am claiming this audio false.
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26. March 2010 at 6:19 pm
actually 2 bears were destroyed. the one who ate the victims and a smaller, younger bear who was getting ready to charge the folks who came into Treadwell’s site after Willy Fulton reported the incident. there will always be poaching in Alaska (I have lived here for 38 yrs)
because there will always be stupid, inconsiderate, irrisponsible people on this planet, unfortunately. having read the books and seen Warner Herzog’s movie, I think Treadwells heart was in the right place but he ended up doing more harm to the bears then good. and you DON’T EVER camp right on the trails bears use or crowd them or camp next to a stream from which they feed. RIP Tim and Aimee
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24. March 2010 at 6:10 am
This is such a nonsense audio clip! Very disrespectful by the way! The real clip is in hands of his good friend Jewel Palovak and whoever saw the movie Grizzly Man knows that she probably even destroyed the tape. The sound on this site really sounds like recorded someplace inside and it’s not funny or real at all!
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11. March 2010 at 11:18 am
well how funny it is mr treadwell actully was an idiot ive been in alaska for several years of and on and actually there is very little bear poching he did nothing to help the bears he did cause one bear to be destroyed how idiotic got what he deserved. now the bears can live in peace. and sends a message to other idiots not to do it
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